Is the Catholic policy of forcing young pregnant couples to get married a good policy?

When opportunity gets knocked up and the couple is young and foolhardy, an abortion really is the best thing to do. I've seen many examples of this situation where the couple married young, the bride bought her wedding dress from the maternity section and within a couple of years after the marriage, there were major problems; they just weren't compatible. The children are the real victims in situations like this; they become pawns in a custody battle, neglected and unappreciated, they grow up feeling responsible in some way for their parent's misery. Don't you think it's time the Catholics changed their policies?Is the Catholic policy of forcing young pregnant couples to get married a good policy?
They are only contributing to people leaving their church.



As these couples are forced into marriage, most will divorce and leave the church.



They will reap what they sow.
Did you make this up? The Catholic Church actually would discourage anyone from getting married under duress or pressure. In fact to be pressured into a marriage (so-called shotgun wedding) would be a grounds for annulment.

Got to love how you as a continue to question the policy of Catholics and you don't even know what the policy is.

Catholics answer all of your questions, and most of the time the result it is only exposes you as biased and uniformed. Do you really like continually asking questions that only expose your foolishness?Is the Catholic policy of forcing young pregnant couples to get married a good policy?
Sweetie, there is NO "policy" in the Catholic Church of forcing anyone to marry.



Infact, I have a friend who was told by a girl that he got her pregnant. We all told him it was a mistake. She had been sleeping around. But he wanted to marry her. During the Pre-Cana (wedding guidance) his own priest told them both they were incompatible and should not be married.



I have another friend who had three children out of wedlock with her sweetie. They got married, in my very own church, with the third in her arms. Fr. Dave joked during the ceremony about them doing things backwards.



So you see, dear, again I tell you, it's time you got out of your bigotry and learned the truth.
Probably not - I've known two families who've suffered from That.



A much better solution would be to Teach Biblical morality -- No Sex Until Marriage. Teach our young people Why it's better to refrain - How to manage their social life so as to Not End Up in 'questionable' situations that lead to pregnancy.



Don't promote the concept that Teenagers will be Teenagers -- all those raging hormones and such.



And abortion is NOT the best thing to do. There's a developing child in that womb - how Dare you take the life of that child.



Be a Responsible dating couple and Don't have sex so as to Not get pregnant.Is the Catholic policy of forcing young pregnant couples to get married a good policy?
The Catholic Church does NOT force young pregnant couples to marry. In fact, the Church counsels against it. Marrying because a child is on the way invalidates the marriage. The Church clearly teaches that the couple must come together freely, no pressure, and must understand and truly and freely commit to the marriage vows.



So your scenario has nothing to do with Catholic policies.
The time to make a decision to have a child is before people engage in sex. Once people have made their free choice then they have to accept the RESPONSIBILITY for the results of their free choice. To say that someone else (a baby) has to suffer because people are too immature to accept responsibility for their own choices is absurd. Abortion is nothing more than an escape clause for a me-generation immature person who wants to run away from responsibility.



Grow up please.
I believe that abortion is murder because Science proves life begins at contraception but there are some situations where an abortion really is the way to go. However, you could always put the kid up for adoption but once the mother holds their baby for the first time they never want to let them go and giving them uo may end up being harder to do than aborting it
if the couples don't want to marry they cannot be forced to do

i think the girl should have the baby and give it up for adoption

or keep the baby

getting married is the couples choice and no one else
The Lord said: Thou Shalt Not Committ Adultery

ADULTERY/FORNICATION IS SIN!

= THAT IS THE BIBLE ETHIC -- You may not like it? - You may not agree with it? - You may Reject it?

.... BUT YOU CAN'T REPEAL IT OR REVISE IT!
We don't. We discourage it. A young marriage entered under duress is grounds for annulment.
I have never heard of any Catholic group forcing anyone to get married for any reason
It's not a good policy, but abortion isn't a reasonable solution.
The policy of them NOT HAVING SEX was ignored, so it beats killing the innocent baby
I believe it is and no changes should be made.
Nix?
Did you learn about Catholicism by watching TV show reruns and old movies or something? You seem to have a tendency towards melodrama, stereotypes and black/white reasoning. Not very impressive.



The Catholic Church doesn't have a policy of forcing young pregnant couples to get married. In fact I personally know a case where a priest talked a pregnant couple into delaying their marriage until they were sure that they wanted to spend their entire life together as a married couple. In the end, the couple decided not to get married - which was probably for the best for everyone. And the individuals involved are all still Catholics in good standing and everything.



You do realize that all children from divorced houses are not doomed right? Even if the couple didn't get married there would still be custody/support battles? Even if they did have some struggles growing, that people are able to learn to cope with challenges and it beats being dead.
The Catholic Church has no position on this, actually. You have made it up all by yourself.

Also, anecdotal evidence is *not* evidence.


Edit: Julia, you mean like running hospitals and quality schools? Feeding the starving and giving shelter to the homeless?

Or are we defined by the bad people within our ranks? In a group of millions, there are bad to be bad ones.


Edit: No, Julia, you have been fooled. Catholic priests are not any more likely to abuse children than other groups. It is the deep rooted anti-Catholicism of this country that has implanted this into you. You claim to be a freethinking Atheist yet you do not question something so base.

I am not saying the Church is perfect, especially in the case of pedophilia, but it is not deserving of ridiculous hatred because of the mistakes of bishops long past.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2139563/Sexual_A…

Educate yourself about the molestation of children in order to better protect children. Propagating any stereotype about pedophilia is endangering children.



Edit: By assuming the stats are phony because they are done by Catholics is the Appeal to Authority fallacy. They are cited and researched, and that is all that matters to rational people.

My bishop defrocks all priests found guilty of any sexual abuse. Stop treating the Church like some sort of hive mind.


Edit: Scroll to the bottom of the report, it wasn't even Catholics who made the statistics, that report was just compiled by Catholics.

"a catholic cannot approach the situation rationaly or independantly"

I am sorry, are you trying to define a negative Appeal to Authority fallacy?


Edit: Since you won't look, I will list some of the sources.

Roper Center at University of Connecticut

Elizabeth Cohen, “Sex Abuse of Students Common; Research
Suggests 15% of All Children Harassed,” Press %26amp; Sun-Bulletin, February
10, 2002

Diana Jean Schemo, “Silently Shifting Teachers in Sex Abuse Cases,”
New York Times

Sexual abuse of students in schools, (What administrators should know). Report
to the U.S. Department of Education, Field Initiated Grants'

Douglas Montero, “Secret Shame of Our Schools: Sexual Abuse of
Students Runs Rampant,” New York Post



It is obvious! The US Department of Education is in league with Rome! It all makes sense now!



Edit: "You said yourself Catholics (the criminals)"

Once again, you seem to think the Catholic Church is a hive-mind-collective.


If you actually say the US Department of Education is secretly aligned with us, you are *completely* crazy. I might as well just stop trying, huh?



EDIT: "they have a Sacred Congregation of Propaganda which is pretty much that same and most likely the source of these manipulated figures"

Propaganda is not innately false or immoral. It is a loaded word in English, but the Church simply doesn't care.

That Congregation is in charge of Evangelizing in places like Africa and Asia. It isn't at all related to the "Catholic League", which compiled the data I linked to you.



Edit: O, I do love pointing out logical fallacies. For instance, your "Congregation of the Propagation of Faith" was a Red Herring.


"look at what I said not what I didn't say hypocrite"

You denied the report I gave you even after I showed you THE US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION was cited. You apparently believe they are in league with us, then. Otherwise, you would appreciate the validity of the report I gave you.



Edit: Were talking about a report on pedophilia. You randomly brought up The Congregation for the Propagation of Faith
Red Herring


There are a ridiculous number of sources on the document if you would look, if the Department of Education isn't good enough for you.


You are delusional, rejecting anything and everything that challenges your viewpoint.
You're making a lot of assumptions.



1. No, it's not a Catholic policy for the couple to get married.



2. No, an abortion is not the best thing. There are other solutions when the parents are not available to raise the child.



The best solution to the problem is not to have sex before marriage! That is a Catholic policy. If a Catholic couple has a child before marriage then they've already broken the rules, and there should not be a rule for people who break rules that gets them out of trouble. People need to face consequences! Not having sex before marriage is key. It allows you to actually find the right person before making such an intimate commitment. It prevents the creation of children. It prevents the spreading of disease. It creates a much stronger marriage when both people are married as virgins. The list goes on and on - I would also incorporate all the studies that show living together before marriage is extremely harmful to a relationship.



So what you're suggesting is that we allow people to do whatever they want, knowing that their actions could cause a lot of harm for other people. In this situation, you're saying it's okay to have sex with whomever whenever you want, knowing a child could be produced, knowing that child could have a really horrible life due to poor parents. So you support killing the kid so the parents don't have to put the child in a bad situation when it's the parent's fault the child was even created?



No. Abortion only creates MORE problems. It allows people to think they have the freedom to do whatever they want. They'll end up harming themselves and others in other ways if they adopt that attitude.
What in the hell are you talking about? The Church does not force anyone to marry, are you referring to the couples Parents? Are you maybe referring to the couples morality? Sorry, but a couples parents, or a couples morals have nothing to do with the Church forcing them to do anything. It would be nice if you could provide some sources, instead of just pulling things out of your behind.



Ask yourself, what is sex for?



Procreation. Shoot, if you take biology, you would learn that the seminal fluid consists of about 50 compounds, two of which are female hormones., namely follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH).



So what do these two female hormones do? FSH spurs egg maturation in ovary, while LH is involved in triggering ovulation. Why do you suppose semen contain compounds that encourage ovulation?



So, if one does not want children, then they need to keep it in their pants. I know you believe in the whole promiscuous thing, and feel that everyone should think like you, that it is okay to screw every dog that crosses the road. But in reality, there are people out there, who do have self-responsibility and self-control and think before they take action.
I agree, marriage is not important at all. me and my partner have been together for 20 years and have four children together and have no plans on getting married. now how many married couples have lasted that long
No. Thats wrong.
@Hugo: Sadly you know little of the evil that goes on which you are responsible for funding

@Eric L K; Those Catholic organisations will be rife with paedophilia to be covered up, it's vast numbers and goes right to the top. not just a few people. you're denial is part of the problem and you are aiding criminals

@Eric L K; You are the one that is brainwashed and fooled, your stats are poney and supplied to you by the evil organisation, pointing at others and not dealing with your problems is just an illustration of how sick you are

@Eric L K; sorry no logical fallacy by me only denial by you, a catholic cannot approach the situation rationally or independently

@Eric L K; "Catholics who made the statistics, that report was just compiled by Catholics" it really is the same thing, if they were credible figures they would have been acquired without any Catholic influence whatsoever.

@Eric L K; again sorry no logical fallacy by me only denial by you, anyone with any logic could tell you that the criminal is not the best source of truthful information.

@Eric L K; You said yourself Catholics (the criminals) were involved. I don't care what others were involved they did not do it independently of the criminals,
and in this case the criminals have cherry picked the parts they liked and ignored the rest to produce a pony report

@Eric L K; "you seem to think the Catholic Church is a hive-mind-collective" they have a Sacred Congregation of Propaganda which is pretty much that same and most likely the source of these manipulated figures

"If you actually say the US Department of Education is secretly aligned with us, you are *completely* crazy. I might as well just stop trying, huh" nice straw man you have there for someone so quick to criticise others for logical fallacies, look at what I said not what I didn't say hypocrite

"That Congregation is in charge of Evangelization in places like Africa and Asia. It isn't at all related to the "Catholic League", which compiled the data I linked to you." more false information they are completely related both are Catholic. and a look at Catholics own website will confirm you are a lier about the extent of the influence of the propaganda ministery which is world wide. As you lie about this why do you expect to be taken seriously

No red herring the word propaganda does explain what we are dealing with whatever your opinion on the matter, as I have already stated
You said yourself Catholics (the criminals) were involved. I don't care what others were involved they did not do it independently of the criminals,
and in this case the criminals have cherry picked the parts they liked and ignored the rest to produce a pony report,
writing one of the sources of that cherrypicked info in capslock does nothing to negate this

"Edit: Were talking about a report on pedophilia. You randomly brought up The Congregation for the Propagation of Faith
Red Herring" wrong, it shows you peddle propaganda which you do and it is completely related despite your denial

"There are a ridiculous number of sources on the document if you would look, if the Department of Education isn't good enough for you." The sources are Cherrypicked not taken as a whole I have already said this CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS POINT?????????

"You are delusional, rejecting anything and everything that challenges your viewpoint." looked in the mirror lately?